I placed an order with Graves in October of 2018 for roughly $120. After attempting to contact them over the course of the next three months I realized that I was probably never getting my items or money back. I decided to file a claim through paypal in March of 2019 and recieved my refund. It is a shame because I own a Mark 4 machine and really like it but will never want to order from Graves ever again. Hopefully something turns around in their customer service, I would really like to see them make a strong comeback.