i’ve got to add now i have 4 ultra tecs, 4 raytech-shaws, 3 MDR masters, several versions of the lee machine, 2 o’briens and more that my students can try and see what they like but most still like the ultra tec and raytech-shaw. and your not likely to go wrong if you can find a complete used machine in good condition. i would suggest if your right handed get a left handed machine and visa versa you’ll have less stress on your arm and shoulder. gemmakermz@cs.com