you might try looking on ebay, i have bought several different machines there at fair enough prices, i set my limit, and good working ones, a real nice LEE just went for $449 a very usable machine and i’ve gotten ultra tec’s for $1200 and raytech/shaw’s for way under $600. i teach and the students like the raytech/shaw and ultra tec. the new ultra tec VL is priced mush lower now and a new raytech is $1940 i have one of each ultra tec v2 and raytech that i bought in 74 both going strong and accurate after 46 yrs of use.