Forums Cutting Material and Identification Trusted Rough Sellers

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    • #2736

      OpalAddict
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      @OpalAddict

      Hey Everyone
      I have seen so many articles, forums and blogs where people order rough material online and then don’t get what they are paying for. I was wondering if you all have trusted sites or sellers that deliver what you pay for. I appreciate your time and help!

      Thanks!!

    • #2737

      markaoros
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      @markaoros

      I have full refund return policy, http://www.hashnustones.com/terms-of-sale.html

      Best regards,

      Mark

    • #2738

      Alan Balmer
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      @alanbalmer

      I’ll repeat what I said in another topic:

      Why Ebay? There are plenty of honest, reliable suppliers of rough who have been in business for years. Many of them are USFG members. It’s probably not appropriate here, but send me a message and I’ll get you a list of suggestions.

      Give me your email address, and I’ll send a few suggestions.

    • #2740

      OpalAddict
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      @OpalAddict

      Thank you guys so much for your time and info. I am really new at all this and can’t express enuf how appreciative I am for your help.
      Thank you
      Ed

    • #2742

      Gregory Hays
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      @gregoryhays

      Hi Ed,

      My wife and I have been Ebay power sellers for many many years. She has been a GJG, GIA since 1995 and I have done lapidary related work in our business for more than 14 years, faceting only in the last four years.
      Not all Ebay members are out to take advantage of the consumer, with ebay and gem rough I find through my own experience, that a piece of rough you win for $1.99 coming from Thailand is probably just that a piece of $1.99 rough.
      Research the ebay gem rough sellers with the tools ebay offers and build a list of gem dealers to pursue more information about to put in your ebay trusted list. I personally do not purchase any rough on ebay from outside the United States only because there’s little recourse you have and then the hassle out ways the reward in that what was to be a great piece of rough. An another reason is, we travel regularly to and from these gem hubs and a mast majority of the reputable gem dealers over seas are not the ones you will most likely encounter on ebay. There is a filter on ebay to show just U.S. listings, send a message to the seller on an item your interested in and ask for their contact info, call them find out who they are, where they are, what is there return policy expectations truly not just the options that ebay allows for a seller, etc.

      I believe a great source is your local gem and mineral clubs, join ask other members into faceting where they get there rough. Like Al said many of us here sell and have some sort of access to gem rough. All you have to do is ask! The annual Frolics are a good source, I believe that in the newsletters they post which dealers will be at the Frolics and many of them travel extensively through out the United States doing trade shows. Go through the members directory here on the USFG and many of us list if we sell gem rough.

      Good gem rough is in high demand right now and prices are showing it.

      Just my Opinion

      Greg Hays
      The Gem Garden
      San Marcos, CA
      http://www.shopthegemgarden.com

    • #2743

      OpalAddict
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      @OpalAddict

      Greg,
      Thank you for the info! I look forward to giving it a go!

    • #2744

      Alan Balmer
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      @alanbalmer

      Greg, that’s good advice regarding Ebay.

      Note that the membership list has it’s own search function, which searches all information members make available on the website. So, go to the membership tab and search for “rough” to get a list of everyone who mentions rough in their description.

      You can search for city, state or country, too. Maybe find a fellow faceter close by that you didn’t know about.

    • #3382

      gemsbygregory
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      @gemsbygregory

      Hi another Greg here a more than just a little late in responding. But after having replacement hip surgery and a second surgery to implant a complete artificial shoulder and upper arm I am now “fit for service”. First I think most anyone who offers rough and are a member of the USFG without doubt will provide top notch service. And many, many people at Ebay or Amazon also offer fine goods and service BUT you still need to keep your eyes open and if buying offshore by checking their references and return policy. At my company Gems by Gregory we have been buying rough worldwide for more then 35 years. And yes upon occasion you get “taken” and what arrives is not as promised and with little or no provenance. To answer/address your note as to trusted rough sellers, we recently starting offering Montana Rock Creek Sapphire rough which we get directly, as a distributor for them, from Potentate Mining Ltd. For more information on us either please send me an email to greg@gemsbygregory.com or search here with the USFG site for people to cut and sell rough. Hope this has helped a little. I have always believed that most people are honest and life has been pretty enjoyable so far.

    • #3395

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      I buy a lot of rough on eBay, with mixed results. A few of my lemon purchases are by home grown ‘merican sellers, but returns are not usually a problem. No problems so far with international sellers, except for the long shipping time. I prefer to buy rough in person, “eyes-on”, and am blessed by living in Tucson, with ready access to the shows, but it can get dry between shows.
      As far as eBay goes, know your material, and take descriptions (and pictures) with a grain of salt. Lots of synthetics are being sold as 100% natural. I even saw one a few days ago that looked like the guy took a handful of garnets, and somehow fused them together into a large block with square edges!

    • #3400

      steveerichards
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      @steveerichards

      “go to the membership tab and search for “rough” to get a list of everyone who mentions rough in their description”
      Went to membership but couldn’t find search.

    • #3402

      Alan Balmer
      Keymaster
      @alanbalmer

      You’re right, the member search seems to have disappeared. I’ll look into it.

    • #3403

      Alan Balmer
      Keymaster
      @alanbalmer

      Thanks for reporting this, Steve. The search may have disappeared after an update. Our webmaster is looking into it.

    • #3414

      JTheesfeld
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      @JTheesfeld

      TMS Gems Thomas Schneider
      http://www.tmsgems.com
      Establish a business rep. with them. They will send you quality rough you can select and return what you do not want. You get what you pay for. If you are looking for $1.99 deal on e-bay, you are gambling your money away. TMS is quality and dependable with one of the best selections anywhere. Other than that, going to gem shows and inspecting the available rough myself, has been my best bet.

    • #3430

      keithshaw
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      @keithshaw

      Alan, just wanted to let you know that the search is back on the membership page, but you can’t search in the description. It only lets you search member name, level and machine used. Might be something to bring up to the webmaster.

    • #3431

      Alan Balmer
      Keymaster
      @alanbalmer

      Yep, we’re already on him to get this back to what it used to be.

    • #3452

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      Another source many people ignore is native cut gems for recutting. I often buy handsful of native cut garnets at the Tucson shows for just a few dollars.
      I just bought a Swiss blue topaz on eBay this last week. The cutting is poor, the polish is worse, but it is 29 x 17mm, and weighs a little over 41 carats. VVSI, and plans are to recut to a smaller and more standard size. The price? $33 delivered.
      You will have a hard time finding a piece of rough big enough to cut this stone at this price. BONUS: it’s already preformed!

    • #3453

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      Trying to load pic,…

    • #3455

      Alan Balmer
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      @alanbalmer

      Currently, attachments are limited to 3 MB. You could use a photo editor to compress the picture.

    • #3469

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      Pretty sure. Go to eBay and look at item 372044453004. Look closely at the third pic, up near the top edge of the stone, left and right of center, and you will see what looks like 2 faint scratches. They are not scratches, they are internal, and I believe they are incipient basal cleavages. There is another one, harder to see, down in the lower left hand area of the stone.

      About buying native cut stones…You get what you get. People who cut these stones are not striving for perfection, they are trying for maximum size. Correct angles? Nope. Inclusions? If they can be hidden. I’m even watching some cut citrine’s on eBay that have fractures so bad and so visible, he calls them “glitter” cut, and “crackle” cut.

    • #3470

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      BTW, this same seller has decent citrine, and some fantastic smoky quartz (“champagne” quartz), but stay very far away from his amethyst and opals.

    • #3471

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      And back again! I just used the girdle of that stone to scratch a piece of quartz, and the quartz wouldn’t scratch the blue stone, so I’m pretty sure it is topaz. I’ve searched that sellers other items, and he doesn’t have any more right now.

    • #3479

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      Update, this seller has at least 4 more of these blue topazes listed now, ranging from 35 carats up to 150 carats. They look to be more included than the last batch. Check out auction number 401395495268, then check out his other items to see all of them.

    • #3541

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      This has been bothering me, due to the huge amounts of synthetic quartz out there. So, this morning I rigged up Tom Herbst’s little specific gravity gizmo and came out with a SG of 3.404, putting it solidly in the topaz camp. (A little finessing of the weighing gizmo would increase that figure a wee bit). Ok, I’m relieved I didn’t get taken, but still haven’t decided how it will be recut. Present dimensions are 18.5 by 27mm oval, with a depth of 10.3mm. It also has what looks like an incipient cleavage about 3.5mm in from one of the long sides.

    • #3546

      tucsonbear
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      @Tucsonbear

      After finessing the “stone holding basket”, I’m coming up with a specific gravity of 3.571. yay! it’s topaz!

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